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24 August 2008 @ 04:38 pm
Griffin's Needle Challenge 2009 Poll  
Poll #1247597 Griffin's Needle Challenge 2009 Poll

When during the late summer/early fall would you prefer to see this event (trying to keep it about 6 months from Golden Seamstresses)

late July (only in site with AC)
2(7.1%)
late August
2(7.1%)
early September
0(0.0%)
late September
8(28.6%)
early October
1(3.6%)
late October
6(21.4%)
no preference
6(21.4%)

What time schedule would you prefer (seing time only, plus setup/cleanup/judging)

10PM Friday - 6PM Saturday (current)
18(64.3%)
7AM Saturday - midnight Saturday (one day, less sewing time hard on setup/clean up and daytrippers)
2(7.1%)
10AM Saturday to 6AM Sunday (easier travel on Friday, traveling tired on Sunday)
5(17.9%)

How would you prefer the food be handled?

No food offered other than snacks/beverages
2(7.1%)
Food only at mealtimes (snacks/beverages available always)
6(21.4%)
Food available all day as a sideboard or concession stand
19(67.9%)

How would you prefer paying for the food to be handled? (Will depend in part on the type of food service)

site + per item
3(11.1%)
site + per meal
5(18.5%)
site + weekend meal plan
17(63.0%)

What sort(s) of food would you like to see?

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Julia Spring: Byzantinejulia_spring on August 24th, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
My top-of-the-wishlist item is two upright lamps with dimmers set super low in the sleeping room. The overhead light was just harsh. I understand that was "go with what you've got", but there's my wish.

I would also be willing to try a _Project Runway_ timing setup where teams have 4 hours on Friday evening (9-1 ish) and 16 on Saturday (7-11 ish). We wouldn't mind if the fashion show and judging were Sunday. The all-nighter was really tough for our all-over-30-with-day-jobs team.
eithni: embroideryeithni on August 24th, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)
Sorry about the sleeping room - I had little LED night lights, but when I asked, the people there preferred the lower chance of getting stepped on to the lower level of light. I want to get glow-in-the-dark tape or something to delineate walkways next time so that it can be darker.

You always CAN sleep - there is no requirement for it to be an all-nighter - you just have to adjust your project accordingly. The problem with omitting the overnight is that for many (even 30+) participants, that is the FUN part. Brutal, but fun. And it was part of the original event concept of "starting Friday night to have garb ready for court at the event". I'm willing to change the concept, but not the fun. :P
Julia Springjulia_spring on August 24th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)
Well, the site doesn't have to close with a break so the all-nighter element could still be in place for those that need it. That'd be a great time for the movies even.

I thought the fun part was working with friends to get spiff stuff for one of us, while we didn't have the responsibilities of cooking or caring for horses or going to court, etc. *Lack* of fun can more easily be defined by time of day for me, I guess.
eithni: embroideryeithni on August 25th, 2008 12:16 am (UTC)
Oh, there are other fun bits, but the crazy sew-all-night aspect is part of what makes this different from a sewing day or work moot. In fact, as she was leaving my (50+ year old) mom said how much fun she thought it was and how it reminded her of prepping for shows when she was in school. I appreciate that you cannot participate in that aspect, but many people can and DO enjoy it so I am unlikely to eliminate it. If anything, I'd institute a "GNC-lite" division for those who cannot hang or who have obligations that make the overnight difficult.

*Lack* of fun can more easily be defined by time of day for me, I guess.
And for me, lack of fun as defined by a time of day is usually defined as some time between 5AM and noon, especially on the weekend. Sadly, there are a LOT of events where interesting stuff happens before noon and I just have to suck it up. :P
cassbunnycassbunny on August 25th, 2008 06:21 am (UTC)
I could go for a needles-down sleep time, but would like to see some sort of compensation for giving up the time... the opportunity to go with an additional team member...allowance of more done pre-event...a handicap on the score (add # points to total)...something to offset less work hours. Lessening the scope of the project (in order to complete it in less time) effects the overall score. Not completing a complex outfit effects the overall score.
I would not like to see it as a seperate division, because the need for sleep does not change the level of skill at which you are qualified to enter. Sleepy novices are still novices.
I believe the utmost challenge of the event (and the fun) is completing an outfit in a set length of time. If that length of time remains the same, but is broken into 2 segments, why would that change the challenge? All other factors remain the same. Except for safety concerns...burning your fingers with a hot iron, a needle thru a finger due to slower reflexes, migranes brought on my lack of sleep, car accidents...
Frankly, I think it was unsafe to turn some of the contestants and staff loose Saturday evening. Most had a 45 minute drive including country roads and road construction. Add sleep deprivation - not only from the event hours but from prep, jobs, and/or travel in the days before. Not good conditions for driving. A different site locale could help change this, but I don't think it could be eliminated.
And everyone was so tired after the judging that the ONLY thing people wanted to do was leave and sleep. It would be nice to have more time to revel in the accomplishments of the weekend. Having a reason to wear the new garb would be wonderful (such as you stated for Royal court or whatever). And the energy to remain awake for it.
eithni: sofonisbaeithni on August 25th, 2008 06:51 am (UTC)
I was thinking the separate division would be the compensation - people could still be judged as novice/intermediate/advanced, they would just be lumped together to account for the expected reduced complexity of the project. Having a time limit but then letting more be done in advance defeats the purpose of the time limit.

As I told Samia, eliminating the overnight takes some of the fun out of it for the people who LIKE the overnighter aspect of it. Just staying up and watching movies while our projects mock us and other people are sleeping is NOT an adequate substitute. We just get frustration _and_ no sleep out of it. :P

It would be nice to arrange it so that there was more energy at the end/a safer drive home, but I really like Wren's idea of a brunch the following day, especially if we were to host this at a hotel or site we could have for two overnights.... I'll definitely be looking into that for next year.
cassbunnycassbunny on August 25th, 2008 07:01 am (UTC)
I thought you were NOT autocrating next year! :-)
eithni: snapeeithni on August 25th, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
Dammit. Busted.

OK. I may or may not autocrat. I WILL have a day-of site steward. :P
cassbunnycassbunny on August 25th, 2008 07:34 am (UTC)
Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I wasn't proposing a MANDATORY needles-down sleep time. But if a team signed up for the OPTIONAL sleep time, then they would receive compensation.
It would mean the autocrat would basically close down their workstation for a set length of time and they would not be able to take any of their projects with them.
With this option, those who wanted the "fun" of working non-stop could. Those who could not push themselves in that manner would not get punished for needing sleep. Win-win.
Rampant Horsemasexualkrkhst on August 25th, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC)
yeah, I feel like because I have a job and know for a fact that if I miss a night of sleep I will get sick and then miss a day of work, because I choose to make the adult decision, I'm being punished for not finding it "fun". The optional sleep time + extra member option or some sort seems fair to me, whereas the current set up does not.
eithni: ?!?!?!?eithni on August 25th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
I don't think essentially getting extra time is fair to the other teams either. Yes, you're losing the sleep time, but gaining an extra pair of hands and/or mental acuity, giving you a significant advantage over the other teams. You are asking for extra help for a personal reason. If we allowed that, then we'd have to let the teams with fewer than six members get extra help or start their projects WELL in advance since "it's not fair" that they only have 1/3 of the members, and that totally defeats the purpose. At that point, we may as well hand out timesheets and tell everybody to to home and, over the next three months, when you have time and are fully rested, complete a project and log your times on your honor. :P I have physical limitations that make it impossible for me to be a great fighter and not enough time to train to overcome those limitations, but I can't ask to be placed into the quarter finals of Crown because I am not in the same shape as the other fighters. I'm willing to make a separate sleepy division, but the other compensations are just not fair.
eithni: ?!?!?!?eithni on August 25th, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
Samia had mentioned the everybody quit option, I thought you'd been agreeing. However, as I replied to Samia's comment to this:

I don't think essentially getting extra time is fair to the other teams either. Yes, you're losing the sleep time, but gaining an extra pair of hands and/or mental acuity, giving you a significant advantage over the other teams. You are asking for extra help for a personal reason. If we allowed that, then we'd have to let the teams with fewer than six members get extra help or start their projects WELL in advance since "it's not fair" that they only have 1/3 of the members, and that totally defeats the purpose. At that point, we may as well hand out timesheets and tell everybody to to home and, over the next three months, when you have time and are fully rested, complete a project and log your times on your honor. :P I have physical limitations that make it impossible for me to be a great fighter and not enough time to train to overcome those limitations, but I can't ask to be placed into the quarter finals of Crown because I am not in the same shape as the other fighters. I'm willing to make a separate sleepy division, but the other compensations are just not fair.
Wren: faire geekdevikat on August 25th, 2008 06:30 am (UTC)
See now... if this REALLY gets going, maybe we could hold it in a convention hall or something and make it a three day weekend... I do like the Fri-Saturday hours, and the fashion show and judging Sat night ('cause who wants to have to wait extra for all that?), but then sleep on site Saturday night and have a rehash over brunch the next morning, so we can all get sleep, but still have time to ooh and ahh over each other's work and documentation, etc. There's really no time to hang with all the other groups during when you're trying to sew, and everyone just wanted to get home afterwards.
eithni: sofonisbaeithni on August 25th, 2008 06:44 am (UTC)
Oooh, I like that... *plots*
Wren: faire geekdevikat on August 25th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
Yeay, I helps!

On the other hand, the thing I didn't like was not having enough time to "get myself presentable" before the fashion show. I know, by that point in the evening, we were all pro'lly just ready to get the whole thing over with - but maybe we could incorporate something like a fancy dress party afterwards, too? When needles down is called, the judges could go around en-masse for the final presentation and then leave to deliberate, while everyone else gets to go someplace to clean up, and take a quick nap and then come back for the party, have the fashion show and get the results at the end?
eithni: excellenteithni on August 25th, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC)
True, true... let me think... and look for a site...
Anpliça mka Rachel: embroideredsmlibrarian on August 25th, 2008 02:04 pm (UTC)
I actually enjoyed staying up & pulling an all-nighter - my 1st ever I'll have you know! :) It was a new experience for me to have and it was fun to get that "drunk" feeling without the drinking. Hehe It was wonderful to have the room to crash that was seperate from the sewing to recharge briefly.

I like the idea that's been brought up to have this in a hotel/confrence center, but it might be hard to do this for the same money. I wouldn't want to see this priced much more than the $12/person it was this year.
eithni: embroideryeithni on August 25th, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
> I wouldn't want to see this priced much more
> than the $12/person it was this year.

Even if it included lodging of some sort? I'm thinking perhaps about something like a camp that would have a bunkhouse or similar...
Anpliça mka Rachel: Ansmlibrarian on August 25th, 2008 02:06 pm (UTC)
Oh, my biggest complaint about the event that I forgot to add on my comment card - having to walk across the large hall to iron. It would be nice to have an iron at our station, or at least have two stations to minimize walking and wait times.
eithni: embroideryeithni on August 25th, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
I can see having two ironing stations, if we have a giant site again, but I think irons at each station are asking for trouble both in the injury and circuit load realms. However, you guys sort of got the short end of the stick this year - I think you were the furthest away and did the most ironing. :P
Julia Springjulia_spring on August 25th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but they got the ceiling fan right over them. I think it was a fair trade!
Julia Springjulia_spring on August 25th, 2008 11:44 pm (UTC)
You just need to make something with fewer futsy seams and hand stitched next time. Makes the pressing less frequent. ;)
eithni: jumpingeithni on August 26th, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
Heh. My smartass response was going to be "Well, the rules specifically allowed linen smoothing boards to be used at the team's table."